Angel Latterall - Gratitude is the Foundation for Everything

Angel Latterall

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[00:00:38] Wendy:  Hey everyone. Today we have another special guest. Her name is Angel Latterall. I'm going to read Angel's bio and then we're going to get right into some great conversation about gratitude.

So about Angel. She's a woman of many hats with one mission, empowerment, and transformation of the individual and things they impact. All of her work is geared at her clients being able to see where they have choice, options, autonomy, and responsibility in their life. Knowing these things is the path to a fulfilled life and success in any endeavor.

She specializes in transformation. Transformation of the person, the individual, their estate planning, and their businesses. Every individual's environment is a reflection of their inner self. If you wanna live a joyful life of purpose, create peace of mind for your family, have a more successful business or an abundant life, she can work with you.

So welcome Angel. I'm so glad you can join us today. 

[00:01:35] Angel Latterall: Yeah, so glad to be here. 

[00:01:37] Wendy: So we had chatted prior, because I try to have at least a 15 minute conversation with all of my guests to let them know what the show's about and, I loved Angel because, when we were talking about what she could talk about today, she chose gratitude. Which I think is such an important part of living in an abundant full life. So, my first question for you were you always grateful or was this a practice you learned? 

[00:02:04] Angel Latterall: That's the great question. In my memory, I feel like I've always been grateful but I believe it truly started, with my Buddhist practice, which I did start quite young. I was researching Buddhism as a teenager and at 18, I actually found a Buddhist organization. That was a lay people based that you could practice in your own home and do things every day. And the foundation not only as chanting in meditation, but looking at every challenge in life as an opportunity, and, having gratitude even for, the proverbial crap that hits you in your life. And let's call it attitude training, that I, really ensconced myself and dove into. I did transform me from being a pretty sarcastic glass half empty, young person into more of a glass half full in how hardships can make you stronger.

And, from that basis then began growing more of my abundance mindset, mentality and, really learning not only to look at things that, that bad things as opportunities, but to recognize all of the things that you have, in your life and how you can be grateful for them and how that just continues to build on itself. I guess probably since a late teenager, I've had this gratitude practice in one shape or another. 

[00:03:23] Wendy: That's awesome. I like what you're talking about here because it's easy to be grateful when everything's going your way. It is the easiest time. It's like, oh, this is wonderful. I'm so grateful and then life hits because life hits us all. And so then you're like, oh, but I think that there's something to the ability of being grateful even in what seems to be a hard time. 

I'd love for you to share with our listeners, because I know that people struggle with this, especially if they're more negative as a person, as a whole. So, let's talk about when life is hitting you, how you can still be grateful? 

[00:04:00] Angel Latterall: I think that's a great question, especially when you're in the thick of it. You know, to go into to why me? But the easiest way is to daily life is a practice. So on all shapes or forms. Just every day we're practicing life. And so with a gratitude practice, when we're in the thick of it, literally pausing to take a breath. And even just pick one thing that you can be grateful for.

It could be the simplest thing. It could be I'm grateful, I have socks. I'm grateful I have a roof over my head. I'm grateful I have a friend, I'm grateful I have, fill in the blank and literally stopping and saying out loud or writing that down can change your neuro transmitters such that it changed where your mind is going and it can reroute and redirect the energy that can be a downward spiral.

There are meditation practices, there are chanting practices. There's things you can do to support that but the most simple, practical way when everything is not feeling so good is to find one thing even to focus on. And if you have difficulty doing that, keep practicing.

It's try, the old saying of smile until you feel better. There's something else that science says that when we smile, it changes how we feel, and then we are able to think. And so with a gratitude practice, even though things aren't feeling positive, If you focus on even one thing, it does help looking at our challenges as opportunities. It's easy for me to say on the outside looking in though I have had plenty of opportunities in my life to practice this.

There's a lot of programming that tells us that we have to be perfect or that we can't fail. But looking at what does have us feeling negative, what is it? Is it because you failed? And if it is, then great, you actually failed forward because you learned something, right?

So there's the opportunity to silver lining the diamond in the rough, so to speak. Or are you feeling negative because of something that happened in the past? And then again, looking at what can I learn from this? How did I grow? Cause our challenges make us stronger. Though, to be honest, without some kind of philosophical base, it is harder to take that. What is this awful thing that's happening to me? And shift it. But it's not impossible. And again, it's just practice. Do our best to practice, find one thing to be grateful for, or find the silver lining in the negative thing. 

[00:06:25] Wendy: So, that brings me to another question. My spiritual coach would say, and I always thought of it as a negative and it took me the practice of being grateful to realize that it wasn't. She would say, it's hard for the universe to give you something if you're not grateful for what you have.

And that's what we're talking about, right? Because it feels like when you're in the thick of it things pop up , but it's because that's all you're looking at. 

[00:06:50] Angel Latterall: That which we fixate on persists, and that which we fixate on actually also expands.

So if we can fixate on the positives, the things we have versus the things we don't have, that's gonna start expanding in our life and the viewpoint, whereas the negative down road spiral, it also happens. I think it's in the book, feel the Fear and do it Anyway. Where they talk about some brain research about how, people seem to think it's easier for humans to be negative but actually there's as much, out there saying that's a learned thought pattern as much as positive thinking as a learned thought pattern. So people feel the fear and fear stops them because, they think the worst case scenario is gonna happen, but what is the worst case scenario?

Maybe you don't succeed at whatever it is, but the bear's not gonna eat you. So we have to reprogram ourselves. Okay. Yeah. There's fear there. There's something there that's stopping me. There's a negative emotion there, but let's do it. And see what happens. And that's having a positive thought of thinking the best.

What's the worst that could happen is well, I fail forward. I fall on my face, it's still five feet further than I was before I fell.

[00:08:04] Wendy: That's actually really good. I think that's, idea if I fall and I'm closer still. And you hear about Einstein how many times he failed before he perfected.

I think it was the light bulb. We'll go with the light bulb, he failed a lot before he got in . And, I listen to, Esther Hicks or Abraham Hicks a lot and and I love that idea When I know what I don't want, then I can know what I do want.

So there's this idea if I see a failure and I know that's not what I want, but at least I know that, right? And that's part of the gratitude process is I may not be grateful for everything, but I can look and sift through what's really important to me. 

[00:08:38] Angel Latterall: A wonderful tea bag gave me some serious wisdom one day, gratitude is not about what is received, it's about how you receive what is there.

[00:08:48] Wendy: That's really profound. 

[00:08:50] Angel Latterall: Yeah, I've kept this little tea bag because even in my years of gratitude practice, it was a new perspective on that, because a lot of the time we're grateful for the things we are receiving at that moment in time. I'm receiving love, I'm receiving a gift, I'm receiving sunlight , but it's not about what we're getting right now. It's about recognizing what we already have in our. 

That's awesome. 

[00:09:12] Wendy: So do you think there is, an energetic shift in a person when they practice gratitude? 

[00:09:19] Angel Latterall: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Not to get off on a total other subject, but the Laws of Hermetics, which there's seven principles, those seventh principles, they're all combined. The first one is that all is mind, which we think and perceive creates our reality and then everything has a vibration. So if we think gratitude is a high vibration state and thus, creating a reality where we have abundance because we recognize all that we already have then you're raising your vibration and shifting your vibration and vibrating higher and in a higher frequency, which then propels you to generate more high vibration.

And that therein is energy. As we look at everything, everything has a vibration, and that is what energy does. Think about how different things feel, anybody's, into crystals or stones, you start sensing those things and we too, as humans, have that vibration.

And if you're around a serious negative Nelly and you're like, oh, you're bringing me down, well, literally their vibration is down. And thus if we're energy sensitive people and we don't have the boundaries to be like, oh, that's theirs not mine. It might literally bring you down whereas a high vibrating person with a gratitude and abundance mindset has the ability to bring that energy into the equation because they're also uplifting themselves. 

[00:10:42] Wendy: That's a good point. And I was having this conversation, with another guest about the exhaustion one can feel when they go near a negative person.

You literally walk away feeling like, what just happened? So, that brings me to the next question, We're all part of this world and unless we're living in a cave, which then, you know, not that you can't be in a bad mood by yourself in a cave, although it's amazing how good my days are when I don't deal with a lot of people.

Do you ever notice that? You're like, I feel great. Oh, I haven't talked to anybody yet but that's not reality, especially if you have a business, you're talking to people. So how do you learn how to separate out what's yours and what's there so that you can keep gratitude and your vibration up? 

[00:11:28] Angel Latterall: Yeah, it's definitely been a journey. As I said, I was, I'm a very empathetic person and I feel other people's stuff a lot.

Or I used to especially when I was a young child, if someone was anger angry around me, it literally felt like I was being stabbed in the eye. I had a physical feeling from it. I took on other people's stuff which made me sick, it made me unhappy. I actually had an eating disorder as actually a young child.

And it wasn't until my Buddhist practice and meditation and regular raising my vibration that I was able to overcome that. That was actually the first step where I started learning about what's mine and what's theirs. Because if I could raise my vibration through chanting and meditation, I started feeling better, but then I could notice if I was around somebody who wasn't, high on life , so to speak, I could feel the difference and then realize okay, well, oh, I'm here and I did that, and then they're there and that, that's not me.

So that was the first part of my journey and through now years of metaphysical study and practice, becoming a healer myself and a spiritual guide, and practicing, daily gratitude. But also daily rituals where I set space around myself. I set what's called a magic circle to do and pull in positive energy and work within that.

That keeps negative energy out. It allows there to be positive energy within. And literally learning how to set Metaphysical boundaries became clear. How to keep things out of my sphere that aren't mine, as well as, keep my own stuff up so the learning that I have done through the esoteric teachings of both learning Herbamedics and, studying with the modern mystery school to become a spiritual guide and daily personal practices

has been probably the most effective in learning that boundary so that I am not, physically affected by other people's stuff. And it's why you get so tired going into crowds and things. It's like you're walking through other people's aura and stuff and if someone's projecting their negativity, you can literally be slimed with it.

And so let me go and sage myself and do meditative practices to clear, or in my case, I'll go to another practitioner and be like, Hey, can you do a cord cutting or to some type of clearing practice to get other people's stuff off me. I recommend regular cord cuttings, especially for any of us that are in the service industry, or if you're just going out and being around people because we pick up other people's stuff, even if we're practicing

clearly that's yours that is not mine. It's both mental being clear like that, cause people get really angry at you, but What I've learned as I've grown good boundaries, I'm like, oh, you're really upset. But there's nothing I can do about it, so I'm not gonna even feel that about it, which piss people off even more when they want you to be picking up what they're projecting. It's really great for you when you're clear, like, oh yeah, that's, too bad you're really upset about all of your opinions.

But they're not mine to take on or be concerned about. So there's that mental exercise of the boundaries and then there's the physical boundaries and literally learning how to set physical boundaries so that you, when you go out among people not swimming in everybody's stuff, and you can be physically clear about what is yours, and what is someone elses.

[00:14:51] Wendy: So I know there's probably listeners out there going, how long did it take you to get there? Can I get there tomorrow? Because there are so many people who still take on other people's stuff, but I think there's levels too, and I'm sure you'll agree.

How you take on your family stuff is very different than somebody you're not as intimately involved in. And another Question is, what is cord cutting and can you explain that process?

Because I know for me, I've done it and it's been very helpful especially those, I've even had resentments against myself where I can just let that go and forgive based on that experience. 

[00:15:24] Angel Latterall: Yeah. So, cord cutting there's different techniques from different lineages, but essentially what you're doing is you're taking, subconscious attachments, negative attachments that happen.

We can get attachments with other people when we share food. For example, you sit down at a dinner, that's a way, like when you're intimate with somebody, you obviously create an attachment in a chord. When you empathize with somebody or sympathize with somebody, you could be creating a chord.

And yes, if you have resentments, there's definitely chords. And so, cord cuttings, an energetic procedure, usually done with some type of athame which is made out of selenite or metal. But it's a symbolic cutting mechanism to shave away all of those cords so that you can be released.

And then our friend Sage, which, white sage is always a thing helps clear the aura out. And so that cuts the cords, thus freeing you from the baggage that's there consciously or subconsciously. And it's great, especially if you're particularly suffering about a particular individual of cord cutting would be awesome.

But as general spiritual hygiene, you can lose a lot of weight, on a regular basis, especially if you work in a service industry, whether it's massage therapists, social worker, teacher. Anything where you're dealing with people on a regular basis, I highly recommend that, metaphysical, cleanliness, so to speak, as a regular practice for your overall health.

 I gifted a cord cutting to a friend on a vacation the other day, and she was having, this argument with her husband about the kids and covid and she was, and she was with us and, they were in school and it was January, so the last, omnicron thing was going crazy.

And so I was like, let's just do a quick cord cutting for you. And she's like, never done one of those before, and we did it. And that she was like, I just released all that. I'm gonna let my husband deal with it and I'm here and I'm gonna enjoy my vacation. And wow. She's like, I feel like I lost 50 pounds of weight.

And so it is able to fix her whole attitude about it so she could enjoy being there and allow her husband to be empowered to work with the kids because, that's what they agreed to do. So she could be on this vacation.

[00:17:36] Wendy: That's amazing because I think that's what happens, and as you talk about intimacy, we're intimate with some on all different levels, whether it's work or personal and going back to this idea of boundaries and not taking with you the situation, because it has ended.

Because you do steal from your moments here and now when you're driving away from a place and you're like, oh, I should have, and you have all these conversations that are not real. They're not real, but suddenly they feel very real.

[00:18:03] Angel Latterall: Our thoughts create our reality so all of sudden we're in a thought cycle of all the shoulda, coulda, would've blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like then all of a sudden it's real, and you got yourself into an angsty-anxious pile of ick. 

[00:18:16] Wendy: Of ick and it's not real. It feels real, but it's not real.

But out of curiosity then I'll ask my next question because I do think that people are curious, you're talking about some very strong belief systems that require time to learn how to do that. I'm sure there are people who feel I tried and it didn't work.

Or they think that they maxed out on their journey of it, so how long do you think it took to have your practice of gratitude and spiritual awareness to take and then how long has it felt like, that you've been in deeper levels of that?

Because I think there's that initial something's not working. I'll try that. But I think sometimes people still give up in the process of that as opposed to following it through and seeing what that really could be. 

[00:18:58] Angel Latterall: So with any practice, gratitude or otherwise, 30 days or 10 weeks is ideal to give it a try.

Cause everything's a practice. And so the only way we get to perfection is to keep practicing. Being on the path itself is perfection. And so never giving up and one foot in front of the other on the path. So with any practice, spiritual practice, you do it for 10 weeks, you're gonna start seeing results in your life.

And when I look at, when I first started chanting and doing the Buddhist meditation. They were like, just try it. And I was like, sure, what do I have to lose? I'm miserable, but then I just tried it and I did it every day like they told me to, even for just five minutes a day.

And I felt the physical difference after about 10 weeks of doing it. About three months where I had my first real big epiphany about my life and the severe anxiety I had been experiencing. The epiphany that came to me actually after chanting for a few months was that I had space and room and the right to breathe in this world.

I was so crowded by other people's stuff that I was trying to shrink myself to disappear. And that was like, aha I have the ability to breathe. I can take up space in this world. It was this huge, epiphany for me that came from chanting every day, doing it every day.

Then my growth went from there, with the metaphysical practices that I learned, through the Empower Thy Self Program in the modern mystery school, in choosing an actual spiritual training program, we joke it's like Hogwarts because it is, it's a school where you can learn metaphysical stuff and get real spiritual training with no dogma, no religion attached, no shoulds.

Here are practices that can help you in your life and if you choose to do them they help you. And again, I always encourage my students like I was encouraged to do these every day for 30 days. I'll even make a bet with them. If they'll do them every day for 30 days and, if they don't see benefit, I would quit. But, if you do 'em every day, you see benefit there's just no way around it. And I always do the 30 day challenge with folks to give it a try and see for themselves the actual proof in their life on an energetic and just general life enjoyment.

The ability to start feeling joy and enjoy your life every day and with gratitude practices, spiritual stuff aside, they have found in scientific studies that if you write gratitude even one sentence, they found, for whatever reason the pen to paper is better than any other form. After 10 weeks you, they doing brain scans they found the neuro pathways literally reroute .

You have to do it every day for 10 weeks and it grows new pathway. I think 

[00:21:42] Wendy: Yeah, I like that you start with 30 days, because I heard, 30 days forms the habit but day 31 and on is what keeps the habit. Like we talk about how long does it become a habit, but you have to continue after day 31 to keep the habit, which is very different, so I like the 10 week idea because it extends it to keep it as a habit, as opposed to learning the habit and you're like, now what?

You keep doing it. That's the reason why the habit's being built. 

[00:22:10] Angel Latterall: In my life, I'm the hard case too. It's like I always have to learn things the hard way or do it myself. So in my journey, I've been practicing Buddhism since I was 18, which is over 25 years now and then my path with the mystery school over 10 years long. I have seen people go a lot faster than me to get where I am. But that's because I've been stubborn, and a hard case and have to sometimes disprove. I'm like, oh no, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. And so being so skeptical but at the end of the day, those who do the first 30 days and then continue, and then they get to that 10 week and then they're like, oh, and then they continue you can really advance in your life quite quickly and it can generate a lot of benefit. But luckily in my case, even though in a hard case, I just keep continuing, even if there's times when I do less. I've learned at least now at this point in my life, that I'm it's better to do it every day, and keep going.

That's the one foot in front of the other. 

[00:23:03] Wendy: Somebody taught me, about spiritual practices when I was young and I was like, how do you do this every day? And they shared with me when you make decisions like this, make a lifelong decision to do it a day at a time.

And you'll see the benefits in your life. So, you really don't have to do it more than that, but you can make this decision so that when you wake up you're like I made a decision to do this a day at a time. But there's something about that when we make that decision and then we practice, suddenly you're like, oh, this is what they were talking about. If you stop right before that happens, you don't get to see the benefits of what really can happen.

So as far as female entrepreneurs, what do you think having a gratitude practice in their business does for their business? Because that's a big thing too, because we know what it can do personally, but there's been times and situations where I'll never forget. I share this story all the time. Call up my, spiritual coach, I just start my business, right? And I had sent what I think is gonna be the most amazing contract at the time. And two days before they were supposed to have finished the signatures and they pull, I was devastated.

And she was like, no, no, no let's have some gratitude cuz that means something else is better coming. Right? And honest to goodness, I got a six month long contract, soon after and it was so much better than the one I lost. . So, what can gratitude do for an entrepreneur and how they look at their business as a whole.

[00:24:27] Angel Latterall: So the foundation to an abundance mindset is gratitude. So having a daily gratitude practice, aside from any spiritual practices, if that's not your thing, it's not your thing, but having a daily gratitude practice is essential to build that foundation for abundance mindset.

And why I say abundance mindset is essential for entrepreneur is because if we are looking at everything from a fear and lack, that's what we're gonna create in our business is fear and lack. So we have to realize there is enough and there is more. And I am completely capable of generating abundance.

And finding that there is enough, there's enough time. You have enough time if you don't waste your time. There will be enough money to grow your business. We all know we have to spend money to make money. But if we're afraid that there isn't gonna be money coming in, then we save and we hoard as opposed to spreading the cycle of abundance, by having to hire people. Yes, that's now more money you're spending, but you're also making somebody else's life abundant by them being able to come and be part of your business. So that basic foundation of gratitude is going to give you that floor to stand on.

To be able to be looking at things from abundance perspective in all aspects of your business because lack just makes you tired. , and it takes a lot of energy to be an entrepreneur and to be doing output. But a gratitude practice also in that note nourishes you so you have positive energy coming in from that foundational space every day. Reassures you that you are good enough and capable enough to keep running your business. Whereas negative self-talk and lack is saying, no, you're not good enough. Like, you should have done this. You screwed up here. And it keeps you from taking those risks that you need to take, to succeed, in business.

 It's a huge scary thing to be trying new things and to be out there on your own. I bring up the idea of hiring people because I have always do it myself and I've well buried myself in my success. I have to have people. To help me now so that my business can continue to grow and that I can have a life.

And I talked with my business coach about this, so there's this fear. I was like what if the success doesn't continue and then I have to pay people and I have no money, which was lack mentality. And so, she's like, let's spin this. Why do you think that it's, not gonna continue?

Because I made it up. It's just a fake fear. I'm like, if I keep doing what I'm doing, that's how I got successful. So why would it stop unless I just stop, right? But if I burn myself out, then I do just stop. So you have to nourish yourself half the self care practices of which gratitude's foundational for all things, but it really is no matter what, the foundation of manifesting in our lives.

Because we have to believe that we have the power to bring in what we desire. And unless we have a gratitude practice and recognize what we already have, it's impossible for us to bring in new things because we can't believe that it's there already. 

[00:27:37] Wendy: Yeah, absolutely. I can't tell you how many business owners I've talked to over the years. Well, I can't spend money. I need to bring in more money, but I can't spend money because I'm already maxed out and I'm like, you'll never get to the next level like that.

There's this cycle of, and it's a cycle of lack and they don't realize that they're in the cycle. We all have the same 24 hours, which is plenty of time. It's just how we spend it and so, sometimes people look at me, they're like, you're gonna spend money on that?

I'm like, yes. Yes I am. I don't feel any guilt about this whatsoever, because I know the freedom of my time is more precious then the money. So there's a reciprocal thing there too which for me is a better cycle of getting that time back.

[00:28:22] Angel Latterall: And outsourcing that to someone who loves to do that thing is the cycle abundance as well. Now you're paying that person who loves to do that thing and they're gonna do that. Then you get that time back so that you can invest it in having a life and taking care of yourself or you can invest in more strategy for your business so that you can employ more people to do more of the things that you're doing.

[00:28:42] Wendy: Exactly. 

[00:28:43] Angel Latterall: Having a life is very important. 

[00:28:45] Wendy: I think as entrepreneurs, we forget that, And then when we're bogged down, we're like, wait a second, this was why I left what I was doing so that I wouldn't be like this, and here I am back in that situation, which is part of that you'll keep getting the same thing until you know that you have to change.

[00:29:01] Angel Latterall: The pattern continues. Oh, like how'd I get back on the hamster wheel, even though this is now the hamster wheel that I completely created as opposed to some boss and company and all of their stuff. 

[00:29:12] Wendy: Oh, so true. So I could talk to you forever, but I have one last question and then we'll hear about the offer you have and how people can get in touch with you. So, Practical, verse mindful solutions. What is one helpful step that somebody can do that's just not used to practicing gratitude to start and get into a habit? 

[00:29:34] Angel Latterall: Get a notebook and a pen you like, and literally put pen to paper and write one thing a day in that book. But step one is actually getting the book you like that will, attract you and a pen you like to write with, they're very simple things, but you deserve the book that you like and you deserve. In my case, I like rainbow gel pens, which are the only things I use in my business. Cause I hate thick pens. I am never using them. I'm getting the expensive, easy to write. 

[00:30:04] Wendy: I am the same way. I will go shopping for the right notebook, it has to be pretty, and I'll walk and look at them like six times and be like, all right, this is the one. but it's so important because you'll be attracted to do things in there if it's something you like.

[00:30:18] Angel Latterall: And I've done this with when I had in person project management students, cause I do teach for the University of Washington, project management, when we had the longer course we did, I had them do gratitude journaling cause it's a 10 week class, so it's perfect.

 And because abundance mindset helps project managers significantly. But what I encourage them all to get is a notebook they liked so that they would write in it, because they were one thing a day and all that. But yeah, you need something that attracts you to it because it's not attractive to go into a spreadsheet or to go into something that reminds you of work and other things.

That's what I find is the best thing possible, is find something that you're attracted to and use it. 

[00:31:02] Wendy: Oh, I love that. So, I'm gonna quickly share and I have to bring this up, while we're talking about gratitude. The best prayer I've ever learned very simple. It was. Thank you for everything you've given me taken away and everything I have left. Best little thing I've ever learned, and I repeat that all the time, every day, because I realize, if I look at my life that's been the case especially if I'm not feeling great. This has been wonderful. How do the listeners get in touch with you? And I know you have an offer for them, so I'd love for them to hear it.

[00:31:35] Angel Latterall: Yeah. So anyone can find me through my website's, plural. latteralllaw.com, for my abundance, mindset approach to legal and life solutions, estate planning and business planning. Or they can go to angellatterall.com and find me through that, which is my metaphysical, and spiritual guide practice.

If you want to listen to any of the concepts I've talked about on a deeper level. There's my Laws of Abundance podcast, which you can find through both of those websites. It's, it's there. And my offer for folks, not only please listen to my podcast and, and like it, or do whatever you need to do to make my numbers go up.

But hopefully you will enjoy the tidbits of practical wisdom that are all based on abundance mindset, hermetic principles. There's everything from how do we set boundaries with our family, to, how do we create and manifest more in our life? But anyone who mentions this podcast, if they've heard me, can book a free abundance consult with me through either of my websites, go through and do it, and just mention this podcast and you'll get a hundred dollars off any service, that desire, whether it's legal or or metaphysical.

I'm always balancing both worlds. 

[00:32:46] Wendy: That's one of the things that I loved when we talked. I was like, look at this, a spiritual lawyer. I'm so excited about this. It's awesome. Thank you so much for being on the show today.

This has been so enjoyable. I know my listeners got a lot out of this and, so I thank you so much. And, for my guests that are listening, have an abundant day and we'll talk to you soon.